Wednesday, December 27, 2006

Well I guess I'm a handmaiden of patriarchy then

From the trans thread:
I hate to be picky, but the person who wrote this isn't a radical feminist for two reasons
- a radical feminist would never be intimate with a man or a person who was born male


Oops. Guess all those people calling me radical got to me. I will now go and inform them that my pornstitution fighting ass is not radical at all. Then I'll start defending porn and practising BDSM.










(not)

Seriously, Andrea Dworkin was definitely a radical feminist by my definition. John Stoltenberg anyone?
Check out a rad post on the subject here.

31 comments:

antiprincess said...

hah!

antiprincess said...

if it helps any, I know handmaidens of patriarchy - and you're no handmaiden of patriarchy.

clearly she has y'all confused with me or something.

I say again - HAH!

jtobe said...

hey. i just found ya blog searching for the LCD Soundsystem - Tribulations lyrics

figured i'd say hi

spotted elephant said...

Don't feel badly, Burrow. I'm married ffs!

I guess I'm a henchwoman of the patriarchy. Or maybe I'm just stupid.

spotted elephant said...

Married to a man person! Oh, it hurts to type it.

Terry said...

Gawd. I have kids -- I must be a sock puppet of the patriarchy.

To hell with those who want to write the standards. You know your own heart.

lost clown said...

It's ok if you have kids as long as you didn't get them from sex with a man!

*wink*

Laura said...

Oh noes! I have been degraded by the touch of all-powerful Man. Arghhhh!!! Kill me now!

Andrea said...

It's the PENIS everyone!

If you allow one of the degredation-sticks near you, it steals your soul. Or something.

Some people really need to get out more often, don't they?

lost clown said...

BWAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

ChasingMoksha said...

Yes I have been denounced on all sides.

Could you tell me what is BDSM? Please, TIA.

Cheryl said...

Huh, how'd I miss THAT. I've been married to penis persons THREE TIMES!!

Somebody tell me I'm not a radical feminist. I dare you. :P

Hugs to you, burrow.

Heart

sparkleMatrix said...
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sparkleMatrix said...

Oh well, that's me snookered then - penis people AND kids

Nella said...

Does using a condom prevent your soul being stolen?

Victoria Marinelli said...

Breaks my heart (but doesn't at all surprise me) when I come across all this divide-and-conquer-engendering bullshit. But, for whatever it's worth, I have in my possession a Lifetime Membership Card for the ACLU (Always Causing Legal Unrest - not the other one...) personally signed by Nikki Craft, and I suspect that if there were a recocation clause with said 'membership,' it would certainly have been exercised by now.

Not, actually, because I've gone to the alleged dark side WRT porn/prostitution issues and whatnot, but because I've called out a few specific radfems on major ethics issues (in a constructive rather than a backstabbing, holier-than-thou manner) and thus committed the crime of 'airing dirty laundry'. (No matter that my interest in doing so was not in grandstanding, but in protecting the interests of some very downtrodden, disempowered, severely silenced women.)

Oh and also, I left an (abusive) female partner for a... man. Plus, I'm a breeder! And I listen to hardcore metal and punk rock (e.g., bands with horrifically un-feminist sounding names like "Alabama Thunderpussy"), and I don't apologize for it. So, definitely, an all-purpose 'handmaiden of patriarchy'.

P.S. I still respect Nikki of course. She's a hardcore, essential warrior, brave as anybody I've known. (And if, someday, I learn my assumptions above are mistaken, I'll be thrilled to have that error pointed out to me.)

Victoria Marinelli said...

Um. Duh... that was supposed to be "revocation clause."

Though maybe if there were such a thing as a "recocation clause," that may have also been exercised.

:)

lost clown said...

See I think Nikki's great and that the ACLU (not the lawyer one...blech) kicks some serious ass. Somehow people think that that makes me radical. Besides my idea that all dominance/submission paradigms like capitalism, etc need to go. I want all oppression gone, and am willing to question and oppose all systems/beliefs to get it. *I* think that's radical, but I've also let a penis stick near me. Oh deary me.

charliegrrl said...

I am annoyed that you chose to pick out this quote to mock me.

I am learning about radical feminism, and I was trying to make a constructive point about how I perceive radical feminism. You could have pointed me in the direction of some texts indicating that rad feminism can include intimacy with men, rather than mock me.

lost clown said...

I was a little annoyed when I read it. I get told that us radical feminists are all X (in this case manhaters, what have you) when we're not. I'm not, anyway and I am a rad fem. Poking fun is how I deal with something that makes my brain want to explode. Perhaps in the future you can post I statements, etc. This is a radical feminist blog and anamata is a radical feminist as well. Perusing blog posts done by either her or I definitely show that. Assumptions as to what anyone is supposed to act are ludicrous and generally wrong and hurtful.

Guess I was hurt by that statement as well as outraged.

Kim said...

Well, I had to turn in my RadFem card due to the fact that I am a "Hypocrite" who
1. is married to a man
2. bred a girl-child
3. partakes in "gussying"

Let's not even get into my belief in God.

lost clown said...

You're still rad to me. ;)

Andrea said...

I think generally, when learning, it'd be advisable to avoid preaching.

I also think independent thought is probably safer than automatically resorting to 'scripture' and written rules.

lost clown said...

which is also a good point, thanks andrea

v said...

gussying??

lost clown said...

I'm pretty sure that means make-up, etc.

v said...

i thought the point was - noone is stopping anyone from wearing make up, anymore that anyone is stopping anyone else from eating nestle or wearing sweat shop made trainers - what radical feminism asks is that we have an analysis of make up as it is used under capitalist white supremacist patriarchy. which would include how it is produced, as well as who it is worn by, and what for. so, not a rule - "you must not wear make up if you are to be radfem" - but something to think about and to be aware of.

i dont wear make up or shave but i get tempted to do both at different times. i do live with a male partner and i do have both male and female children. amongst other things, i like horror movies, science fiction, glitter, and knitting. i hate sports but i love comics. and im still a radical feminist :D

lost clown said...

That's how I feel about it exactly. Always question why you do/like things, but that doesn't neccesarily mean give them up. I wear makeup, but that tends to be a lot more about my circusy ways then anything else. I enjoy things that are not exactly in tune with my beliefs, but then again I do realise how my preferences are conditioned by my upbringing/the world around me. All I ask is that people analyse. I thought that was the point. We'll never know what true freedom is until after the world changes.

Nora said...

OK, so we should know better and it's difficult and we can't get away from how we started life, but we have to draw the line somewhere and I think it's fair to draw a line at the point where we start making justifications for doing things that we know are damaging to ourselves or others. Your world ain't never gonna change if all you do is sit around and analyse.

lost clown said...

Yeah you're right, analysing and talking about the problems do nothing. Silly me for thinking I could make a diference by bringing the problems to light.

Laurelin said...

Charliegrrl- I think we've all been there, with the saying things that later we realise weren't true. With blogs and blog entries, if one later changes one's mind or feels embarrassed, one can always delete, but with comments, unfortunately one is stuck! It's all the learning process, after all.

V and LC- on your last points, I would just like to say Exactly! Precisely! and other very British words meaning Damn right! :)

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